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Al Lohman and Roger Barkley were the dominant comedy team on Los Angeles radio for many years. I was a fan of the guys (and wrote briefly for them) and I discussed them here.

As I mentioned there, they tried all sorts of ventures into television. None of them clicked…not even a brilliant (I use that term purposefully) late night comedy show they did for certain NBC stations around 1974. It was more or less replaced by Saturday Night Live. It seems to have disappeared from this planet and isn't even listed in most databases of TV programming. The only remnant I've found is one YouTube excerpt that isn't a particuarly good demonstration of the series. I recall it trying all sorts of bizarre stunts and storylines, some of which worked and some of which didn't…but even the failures were interesting. If anyone knows where whole episodes can be found, I'll be your B.F.F.

One of their many short-lived TV efforts was the game show, Lohman and Barkley's Namedroppers, which ran on NBC daytime from September of '69 until early '70. Here's how it worked. Each week, they'd have three celebrities and 20 contestants. Two games were played per show. In each, a person would be introduced who had some relationship (usually not familial) to one of the celebrities. This person was the "Namedropper." Each celebrity would tell a story of how the Namedropper was related to them. The 20 contestants would vote on which tale they believed and two of those contestants would also play for lovely prizes. Whichever contestants were right would get money and the two playing for prizes could also win the prizes. Whatever the contestants didn't win went to the Namedropper.

This rare video excerpt shows you how it worked. Lohman is the fellow with the light hair who's talking to the contestants. Barkley is the one with the dark hair talking to the celebrities. The format didn't give them much chance to be funny…as you'll see…

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This is a 31 (or so) minute speech that President Barack Obama gave the other day at the National Gen44 Summit. That's a convention of younger leaders in the Democratic party so their enthusiasm for Obama was to be expected. But it's a pretty good talk and it may remind some people why they voted for the guy…and why, even though they're disappointed in some things he's done or hasn't done, they probably will again…

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Here from Australia is an example of why live TV is so dangerous…and so interesting…

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As we all know, Johnny Carson hosted the daytime game show, Who Do You Trust (usually spelled without the question mark) on ABC before he took over The Tonight Show on NBC late night. A lot of folks don't know though that Who Do You Trust was originally called Do You Trust Your Wife…with similar punctuation. It started out as a prime time game show hosted by Edgar Bergen and his wooden pals. That ran from 1956 through 1957…and the premise was basically that a husband and wife would come on and the host would do one of those long, light-hearted interviews that hosts used to do on game shows. Groucho Marx was, of course, the master of that and there were many attempts to replicate that success with others. Then the show would progress to the game part where the host would ask questions for money and the husband contestant would have to decide if he thought his spouse could answer the question. The "gold" on the show would be when they'd fight a little, especially when he'd take the question for himself, get it wrong and then the wife would say, "I knew that one."

The Bergen version was shot in Hollywood and ran on CBS until March of '57. When it was cancelled, ABC picked it up as a daytime show that would be produced out of New York. Bergen declined to either relocate or do a Monday-Friday series so they hired Carson. His version debuted on ABC in the late afternoon the following September and began to evolve as Johnny made it his own. The interview portions became more important…and they'd even have contestants come on and demonstrate skills or what they did for a living so that Johnny could join in. A hula hoop champion would teach Johnny how to use a hula hoop or something like that. It worked very well but the producers began to have trouble finding married couples who gave Johnny interesting things to do. That's when they changed the name of the program and began having on "couples" that were a team of any kind — partners, brothers, mother and daughter, etc.

Another important change occurred in October of '58 when announcer Bill Nimmo (who you'll see in the episode below) left for another gig. The network suggested Carson try a female sidekick and auditions were done. The auditions left Carson unsure how to relate to a lady in that role so he asked for another man. A quick talent search came up with Ed McMahon and that combo worked out so well that when Carson left in September of '62 to go host The Tonight Show, he took Ed with him. He also dragged along some other personnel from the game show including its line producer, Art Stark. Comedian Woody Woodbury (and the returning Bill Nimmo) replaced Carson and McMahon but the program only lasted another 15 months.

This episode has Nimmo and married couples and it appears to be from January of 1958. The first contestant is a fencing master and Johnny gets a lesson. If you stick with it 'til the end — and I couldn't blame you if you didn't — you'll hear an announcement that Johnny is guest hosting "The Jack Paar Show" (i.e., The Tonight Show) that week. I guess he did all right with it…

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You may have seen this. Back when Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera were trying to sell their new animated stone age sitcom, they whipped up this short (minute and a half) "demo" film. At the time, the show was called The Flagstones. It would later be called The Flintstones, which was a better name — two "rock" references instead of one — and one that didn't duplicate the surnames of the family in the Hi & Lois newspaper strip, thereby appeasing lawyers. Also at some point in there, it was also going to be called The Gladstones.

But let's discuss the voices in this film. Jean Vander Pyl, who'd been doing female voices on other Hanna-Barbera shows, played Wilma…and would forever after. June Foray, who had not worked for H-B before (and didn't work much for them after) did the three lines as Betty Rubble. Daws Butler — who was the voice of Huckleberry Hound, Yogi Bear, Quick Draw McGraw and all the other major H-B animated stars at the time — supplied the voice of Fred. A lot of folks say he used the same voice he'd used impersonating Jackie Gleason in those "Honeymouser" cartoons Warners had produced a few years earlier. I think it's a similar voice but that Daws consciously altered it a bit, perhaps at Bill and Joe's request, so it wasn't dead-on Gleason. (If you want to compare 'em, here's a link to what he did for Warner's.)

So is that about it? No, we haven't discussed who did the voice of Barney Rubble.

No one seems to know. A lot of sources say it was Daws…and it would be logical for them to have Daws do it since he did such a great impression of Art Carney. He did it in for "The Honeymousers" and he did a version of it, also modified so as not to be too close to the source, for Yogi Bear. But those of us who profess to be experts at this kind of thing seem to all agree it ain't Daws except maybe for the chomping sounds Barney makes at the end. Those noises were probably lifted by the sound editor from some other cartoon where Daws supplied them.

We also seem to agree it's not Doug Young or Don Messick or anyone else who was heard in H-B cartoons of the day. It's possible it isn't even a known professional voice actor. It sounds a little amateurish…like they grabbed one of the writers or animators and shoved him in front of the microphone. If you have any better idea, let me know.

Since I've gone this far, I might as well discuss what happened later with Flintstones voice casting. When the series sold, Bill and Joe decided to not use Daws or June or the mystery Barney. Daws and June were both somewhat rankled at that. Bea Benaderet was cast as Betty Rubble. Bill Thompson was cast as Fred. Hal Smith was cast as Barney. If you know the kind of roles Thompson and Smith usually played, you might think it was the other way around. Smith, who was best known as Otis the Town Drunk on The Andy Griffith Show, usually played loudmouthed big guys. Thompson, whose most famous animation voice was probably Droopy Dog (or using much the same voice, Smee in Disney's Peter Pan) usually played wimpy little guys. But H-B actually recorded the first five episodes with Thompson playing Fred and Smith playing Barney. This is not, by the way, where the Smith Barney investment firm got its name.

Then Bill and Joe decided they'd made a casting mistake. The stated reason was that Thompson was having trouble doing the "gravel" (roughness) they wanted in Fred's voice…but that wouldn't explain why Hal Smith was replaced by Mel Blanc or why Thompson's replacement, Alan Reed, didn't do a particulary gravelly voice. I think Hanna and Barbera just decided they could do better. Anyway, Reed and Blanc were brought in and they re-recorded the Fred and Barney lines that Thompson and Smith had done. You can still hear Thompson and Smith playing some small roles in the early episodes.

That may not be the entire story. The late character actor Cliff Norton used to tell people that at one point, he was going to be the voice of Fred Flintstone. If or when this happened is unknown to me. It wouldn't surprise me if there were others before they settled on Reed.

So here's the Flagstones demo, complete with crayon markings. The markings are because the only copy of this film that seems to have survived is one that a film editor marked this way. And maybe I should mention the time around 1980 when I asked Joe Barbera if they named Barney Rubble that because they were trying to imply he was a Carney Double. I can't adequately describe his reaction but it was a lot like the wolf in a Tex Avery cartoon finding Droopy where he wasn't supposed to be. Mr. B swore to me that no one else had ever mentioned that to him and I believe him. But inasmuch as I thought of that when I was ten, I can't believe no one else ever noticed.

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Before Johnny Carson hosted The Tonight Show…before he hosted the game show he hosted before he hosted The Tonight Show…he had a prime-time variety series on CBS. The Johnny Carson Show ran Thursday nights at 10. It debuted June 30, 1955 and lasted until March 29, 1956…39 weeks but back then, that was considered a flop. In fact, it was a flop that rankled Johnny for a long time and one which he attributed to not controlling his own show and bowing to the direction of others. He vowed to not make that mistake again in his career and set his sights on getting another chance to do that kind of show, only to do it the way he wanted.

It is believed by some who knew Johnny that even after he became a big hit on The Tonight Show, he still — for the longest time — hoped to move from it back to a prime-time series. Once or twice, he even tried to negotiate a deal with NBC where he'd leave Tonight on a certain date and they'd give him a lengthy commitment for an hour in an earlier time slot. He'd start talks about this plan, then agree or decide to put if off for a while and stay in late night.

At some point — I'm guessing mid-seventies — he seems to have decided that hour-long variety shows were no longer the greatest achievement a comedian could have in television, and that it would be a step down from The Tonight Show. So he gave up whatever vengeance-infused dreams he had of a new prime-time Johnny Carson Show and stayed put at 11:30 until he could stay put no longer.

Here's a short monologue from 1955. He says in it he's been doing this show for 2-3 months so that would make this some time in September…

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A montage of moments from The Dick Van Dyke Show. Everyone who writes comedy for TV oughta see this often, just to remind themselves that it isn't just about funny dialogue. And if you don't write comedy, you can use it as a reminder of just how good Van Dyke and that cast were…

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Here's famed defense attorney Alan Dershowitz telling a joke. It's almost as good as the one he told about how O.J. Simpson was innocent…

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Here from this morning is Stephen Colbert's opening statement before a Congressional subcommittee. He was awfully funny but it sure doesn't look to me like he belonged there or that anything he said was helping anything…

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What if Star Wars had been a TV series in the mode of Hawaii Five-O?That's the premise. Here's the mashup…

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Here's a nice little nine-minute video that explains the basics of the current Health Care Reform package. It sure beats reading that whole report…

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1,002 theatrical cartoons were produced by the legendary Warner Brothers animation studio in its heyday. This video, which is about the length of one of those cartoons, purports to feature one frame from each of those 1,002 cartoons. I haven't checked carefully to see if this is true so let's just take their word for it. You may notice an interesting evolution of art styles as you watch…

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Earlier today, I linked to a video of the Cartoon Voices panel we did on Saturday at the Comic-Con with (left to right:) Chuck McCann, Candi Milo, Jason Marsden, Tom Kane, Gregg Berger, Fred Tatasciore and April Winchell. Here's better video of the same no-rehearsal, no-prep reading of "Cinderella"…

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At the Comic-Con in San Diego last July, my pal Earl Kress and I hosted a couple of panels about Cartoon Voices…panels filled with very talented folks who furnish them for the top animated shows. A feature of each panel was when we passed out a script — a bland, highly generic telling of the story of Cinderella — and had the actors perform it for the crowd.This is what's known in the trade as a Cold Reading because they didn't get the chance to see the material in advance or to rehearse.

We did the same script at two panels — one on Saturday, one on Sunday, with different participants.The embed below should show you shaky home video someone took of the reading from the Saturday panel.The first person you'll see in it is me.The guy passing the scripts out is Earl.Then the performers are as follows: On the far left is Chuck McCann. Next to Chuck (and playing Cinderella) is Candi Milo.Then, reading from left to right, we have Jason Marsden, Tom Kane, Gregg Berger, Fred Tatasciore and April Winchell.This runs about eighteen minutes but I bet you'll think it's worth the time. Every one of those actors did something brilliant with the ingredients we handed them.

UPDATE, later in the day: We have a better video of this panel available. You can view it on this page.

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The Fine Brothers like to ruin TV shows for you…