Also From the E-Mailbag…

My friend Frank Buxton writes…

In 1963 I was the host of a daytime game show on ABC called Get The Message. Goodson-Todman had sold ABC on the idea of three back-to-back half-hour game shows to air in the morning Monday-to-Friday. I hosted the first half-hour, Dick Clark was the host of the show that occupied the second half-hour and Bill Cullen, the old reliable, hosted the third half-hour. I don't remember the names or formats of the other two but Get the Message was a pastiche of every game show Goodson-Todman had ever done, mostly Password. They lasted three cycles, 39 weeks.

As you mentioned, Clark would fly in and tape his week's worth of shows in two days and then fly back to L.A. I taped my week's worth of shows in two days, too, but I had a small apartment in New York ("The mice were hunchbacked.") and a lovely home in Northern New Hampshire. I never envied Dick his trip back to L.A. because my heart was in New Hampshire. At the same time I was hosting Discovery so I was visible on ABC many times a week and able to pay the rent and the mortgage.

Sidebar – Not mentioned in the references to American Bandstand was that in 1962 Discovery debuted, running every afternoon Monday through Friday, taking over the second half hour of American Bandstand on the network. I'm sure that Dick objected and I know that some Bandstand fans were unhappy but Discovery ran for nine years, which is not a bad run. I believe that a lot of the reasoning behind cutting Bandstand to a half-hour and airing Discovery had to do with pressure being brought to bear by the FCC for "better programs," whatever that meant.

Another sidebar – Just about everyone in our business has been fired, some of us several times. I was "replaced" as host of Get The Message in its last few weeks, ostensibly because I was not "that familiar a personality to the woman watching at home" and they needed someone who was. So I was replaced by Robert Q. Lewis. It's a story I relish telling but it depends upon knowing who Robert Q. Lewis was. The differences between us were extraordinary.

Yes…the people you worked with, Frank, liked you.

I believe the show Dick Clark hosted as part of that block was Missing Links and the one hosted by Bill Cullen was The Price is Right, which had gone on before the other two and which outlasted them.

As I understand it, Dick Clark taped a lot more than a week's worth of The $10,000 Pyramid when he flew back to New York for a weekend. I hear different tales and perhaps it changed over the years…but I think at one point he'd do ten episodes on Saturday, then five more on Sunday. So…three weeks of shows in a day and a half. I wonder how many hosts could do that at all, let alone not be loopy by the last shows of the first day.

I was a big Discovery fan but never quite got the appeal of Bandstand so I didn't mind the displacement. We had a fellow out in L.A. named Lloyd Thaxton who did a similar, local show (similar to Bandstand) and did it much better…in part because it was local. He talked about events in Los Angeles and places in Los Angeles and the kids who danced on the show were from local schools. And Thaxton got into the spirit of fun, doing lip-sync routines and donning costumes. Dick Clark, even when he was a young man, always came across like an adult with a slightly patronizing attitude towards the teenagers who danced on his show and a "don't muss my hair" arrogance. But I liked him on other things.

I remember an interesting comment he made once to me about how Bandstand had evolved. He said that before around 1980, the kids who came on to dance would — for the most part — just dance the way they danced at parties. After music videos came into being and especially after MTV went on in '81, almost all the kids danced for the camera and some came on with elaborate, practiced routines. That's when I really thought it seemed phony.

From the E-Mailbag…

Justin Mory writes…

Regarding facts the late actor Robert Heyges had reported wrong on his website about the Marx Brothers you wrote that Chico and Groucho never exchanged roles when performing on Broadway. But what I'm wondering is if it's true that Zeppo understudied Groucho's roles and filled-in when need arose? I'm thinking specifically of a scene in the movie version of Animal Crackers that, legend has it, has Zeppo performing as Groucho. Is it in fact Zeppo, and did he ever have occasion to impersonate Chico or Harpo?

When the Marx Brothers were on stage, Zeppo understudied all his brothers. He couldn't play the piano like Chico and he couldn't play the harp like Harpo but he apparently could provide a reasonable facsimile of everything else his three performing brothers did. So if one of them was out, Zeppo went on in his place and a member of the chorus filled in for Zeppo. It is said that after Groucho missed an entire week of one play due to illness, he watched at least one performance with Zeppo from out front and remarked, "Well, it looks like I'm not needed." Whether Zeppo was that good or Groucho was just being nice to his brother is open to speculation.

Regarding this scene in the film of Animal Crackers

Legend has it that's Zeppo playing Groucho's role in the scene where the lights are dim. Is it? I wouldn't be shocked to find out it was the real thing but I've long assumed that yes, that's Zeppo. The voice is just far enough off Groucho's to make that believable.

A bit less believable is the way it's reported, which is that Groucho was ill one day so Zeppo stepped into the job. That's possible but it is quite a coincidence that Groucho should be out the day they had to film a scene in the dark. We'll probably never know for sure but I suspect Groucho was off in his dressing room reading a book when this was shot. I'm thinking it was just an inside joke to deploy Zeppo in the one scene in the movie where he could have pulled off an undetectable impersonation. If Groucho had been too sick to work that day, they probably would have shut down the company until he was better.

There was however a less arguable example of Groucho impersonation a few years later when the Brothers were working for MGM. They were about to go on the road with a touring show to test some of the comedy scenes in Go West, the next film they were to film. Publicity photos were needed and Groucho was for some reason unavailable…so Irving Brecher, who wrote Go West, climbed into a Groucho suit and posed with Chico and Harpo. Apparently, no one noticed that Groucho had somehow gotten 24 years younger. Too bad Frank Ferrante wasn't around in those days…

Recommended Reading

Frank Rich previews what may be the big story of the upcoming presidential election: How much money some rich old white guys are willing to spend to oust Barack Obama. And some of them really don't care if they're buying ad time to spread lies.

My Tweets from Yesterday

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Today's Video Link

It's been way too long since we brought you an episode of The Cheap Show, the world's most appropriately named program. My pal Michael "Mickey" Paraskevas did a mess of these for a local cable channel on the east coast and I think the budget for each was around fourteen dollars. But if you're clever, you can do a lot for fourteen dollars.

To learn more about The Cheap Show, visit its website. That is, after you watch this chilling installment…

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Michael Kinsley on the notion that Americans resent Mitt Romney's wealth or anyone's.

Obviously, it is possible (and understandable) to be jealous of folks richer than you are or will ever be. But I don't think most people are and when you're talking about resenting the bank account of someone running for President of the United States, there is this thought: If you couldn't run your life well enough to attain some kind of wealth, are you the guy to put in charge of as much of our economy as the President controls?

I do think though there's a greater resentment of folks whose money came from stock manipulation as opposed to building something. If you got rich starting a successful product…okay, we get that. You made something. What's more, you made something that provided employment opportunities for others, your success contributed to the greater good.

On the other hand, if you'd amassed the same moola by buying and rolling over stock in that company, or perhaps by stripping it of its assets and moving production to Taiwan…well, that's different. You didn't make anything except deals. Not every rich person is a Job Creator. And with a lot of them, you can't really explain what they did to become zillionaires except move money around on a chessboard at the right time, possibly due to insider information.

Romney inherited megabucks from his father who made it in the automotive industry. I don't think anyone resented George Romney's wealth. You could explain what he did: He took over a failing car company and reversed its fortunes. But there is an understandable resentment of folks who inherit riches, as well as a belief that someone like Mitt had a leg up and a tremendous advantage when he set out to make money on his own. He did most of it through investments and management consulting. Those are both honorable and dishonorable endeavors depending on how you do them…but harder to explain and therefore easier to resent.

From the E-Mailbag…

Bennett Wong writes…

I read with great interest your account of Groucho's visit to the set of Welcome Back, Kotter. I see that Robert Hegyes, who played Epstein on the series and who passed away recently, told the story on his website but his account differed in many details. Would you care to comment?

Sure. As politely as I can, I'll state that I stand behind my version and I'll wager that others who were there that night will back me up. Bobby Hegyes was a great guy and a fine performer but he got this one wrong, especially the part where he has Groucho insisting he wants to do the scene.

Elsewhere on his site, writing about the Marxes, Bobby said that Chico and Groucho sometimes exchanged roles when performing on Broadway. Not so. He also says that Zeppo was named because he used Zippo lighters. The first Zippo lighter came out in 1933 and Zeppo had been Zeppo for more than a decade by then, including in the first few Marx Brothers movies. Zeppo told several different versions of how his name was coined but that was not among them.

Kirby the Cut-Up

From time to time in the sixties and seventies, Jack Kirby experimented with collage work in his comics and also constructed a number strictly for his own satisfaction. They never worked in comics as well as he wanted, mainly due to the inferior printing techniques. But he still loved the form and Steven Brower has authored an excellent overview of them.

Groucho in Concert

Dick Cavett writes about the night of May 6, 1972 when Groucho Marx appeared at Carnegie Hall in New York.  Most of the article is excerpted from the columnist's book, Eye on Cavett, a fine volume that is long outta-print but worth tracking down.

After the concert, a two-record set was issued called An Evening With Groucho which purports to be the audio from that performance.  I am told it is only partially from the Carnegie Hall show and that a lot of the material on the album, perhaps the majority, was taken from a "warm-up" performance that Groucho gave at Iowa State University before taking the show to New York. The player below will allow you to listen to the record in its entirety. There are arrow controls there that will allow you to skip ahead or backwards and you may want to know that the first cut is an overture played by a then-unknown pianist named Marvin Hamlisch, the second cut is Dick Cavett introducing Groucho and the third cut is Groucho's entrance plus a song in which he is joined by Erin Fleming. After that, the cuts are anecdotes and the occasional song…

Frankly, on the record, he doesn't sound as bad to me as Cavett's article makes him out to be. Perhaps this is evidence that much of what we hear on it is from Iowa. Or maybe I feel that way because I attended Groucho's subsequent Los Angeles concert on December 11, 1972 where he really was in such bad shape he shouldn't have gone on. Compared to what we heard that night, the record sounds pretty decent for a man of his age. I wrote about it in this article…and if you go read that piece, don't stop there. Click the link at the bottom of the page and go on to the second part.

Groucho gave one other concert — after New York but before Los Angeles. It was on August 11, 1972 at the Masonic Auditorium in San Francisco and it was apparently the best of the four. Two weeks after, he suffered a stroke which explains why the L.A. engagement was so painful.

As far as I know, the only record of the San Francisco appearance is a partial audio recording that has a few bad internal edits and a number of defects. Still, the clear portions sound pretty good. You can listen to about a half-hour from the show on a player over on this site. (And can you believe the prices in the above ad? $6.50 for the best seat to see Groucho Marx? Even for '72, that was darn near nothing.)

Go See It!

Hey, let's look at some ways you can be deceived at the supermarket!

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As Kevin Drum notes, there are those in this country who want manned (meaning, we risk human lives) space exploration to continue. This is usually framed as wanting U.S. space efforts to continue but they're not quite the same thing. We can conquer and learn more about space without running the risk of people getting killed. It just isn't as cool that way.

Premiere in Pasadena

Mike "The Situation" Sorrentino and Stan Lee at the premiere

There's a nice little documentary With Great Power: The Stan Lee Story and it had its theatrical premiere last night at the iPics Theaters in Pasadena, where I believe it is henceforth playing for a while. That looks like a great place to catch a film, by the way: Wide, reclining chairs…a little button with which you can summon someone to bring you food or beverage, etc. I'm almost afraid to see a movie in a place like that for fear I'll want to move in.

Since I'm in this film, I was invited and at first, I wasn't going to attend. I've seen the movie and whatever else I think of it is eclipsed by my utter dislike for seeing myself on the screen — especially in too-close close-ups (I don't even like most people to be that near me, let alone any cameras) and before I lost a lot of weight.

Well, I should say more about it than that: It's a good introduction to Stan — one that captures his current existence and a lot of his past quite well. Now, you have to consider that in this context: It's a film done with Stan's participation and approval. It is not an unbiased exposé of his life, dredging up scandals or things he would prefer to kick under the carpet. That's not to fault it in any way and its makers — Terry Douglas, Nikki Frakes and Will Hess — made exactly the film they set out to make and they made it well. Stan comes across quite charming and deserving in it, though he is often upstaged by his delightful wife Joan.

So if it meant just going to see the film again, I wasn't going to go. But I was also curious about the event and had to be out that way anyhow for something else. As it turned out, seeing the movie was the least of my worries. Few there seemed to want to leave the big party and go off into one of the screening rooms at the complex to catch the film. I guess they all figured they could do that another time. Why miss any of the grand soiree?

When I checked in, a nice lady handed me my pass and directed me to a line. "They want you to walk the red carpet," she said. The red carpet was a gantlet of photographers and media, poised to capture photos and video of attendees, mostly with Stan who was out there, shaking hands, hugging and delivering sound bites to eager microphones. Behind it all, of course, was one of those walls imprinted with the name of the product and in this case, the names of many sponsors and companies doing business with Stan's enterprises.

I asked the nice lady, "Do I have to walk the red carpet? I mean, will they throw me out if I don't walk the red carpet?"

She said, "Well, no…but you are supposed to walk the red carpet."

Abdicating all personal responsibility as I so often do, I walked around the red carpet and stood behind the camerafolks so I could see what was transpiring on the red carpet. It was mostly Stan shaking hands and hugging people and making self-effacing remarks.

I have a lengthy list of conflicting feelings about Stan…about things he's done and perhaps more significantly, things he hasn't done. We've talked about some of this and he understands, and I think it's to his credit that when folks do documentaries about him, like this one and the one on The Biography Channel, he asks that I be included, mainly to make sure someone talks about Jack Kirby. Needless to say, any film that focuses on Stan is not going to spend enough time on Jack, but after declining a few of these, I decided a while back to start saying yes. I can't control the final cut but I can see that those who do have footage that mentions Jack and others who created Marvel Comics. I can also sometimes correct simple factual errors.

I also have a personal affection for Stan — one that flows both from reading his comics and from working with and for the man. I think it's hard not to have a personal affection for the guy — or at least, this guy. Perhaps you have someone in your life who's like that: You can't help liking them even though they've done some things you really, really didn't like. It is still a joy to me to see Stan, especially at his age, getting all the attention and celebrity and cash he so obviously craved all his life. What I was watching on that red carpet, and it was worth the drive to Pasadena and the six bucks I paid to park, was a person about as happy as any person could be.

Having skirted the red carpet, observed Stan on it and realized I needed a Men's Room, I finally went to enter the theater. A man at the door looked at my pass — which I guess had some sort of code on it to indicate I was a V.I.P. — and asked me in an almost scolding tone, "Did you walk the red carpet?" It was the way you'd talk to a child who hadn't done his homework. I told him, "No, I have a note from my doctor that says I'm expressly forbidden from walking any red carpets for two weeks." He laughed and let me in.

I stumbled off into a huge party which like all huge parties in show business was way too noisy to permit anyone quieter than Chris Matthews to carry on a conversation. I was amazed not just at how many people were there but at how few of them I knew. They were mostly, I suppose, connected to Stan's current business endeavors which have very little to do with the comic books that I care about. Stan aside, I may have been the only person on the premises who ever got a paycheck from Marvel Comics, at least for working on a Marvel Comic.

A server offered me a "Marveltini Excelsior" and I wasn't sure if it was a drink or a pile of wood shavings. It turned out to be a drink — a special concoction mixed by, the man said, the gent who prepares cocktails for the Academy Awards. Since alcohol has never passed my lips, I declined but when I got home, I checked an e-mail I'd been sent about the event and sure enough, there was the recipe for the beverage in question…

If you try one, let me know how it is. And you might try facing front and hanging loose when you drink it.

Stan and I spoke briefly but he was busy working the room, posing for photos and having the time of his life. I chatted, to the extent one could chat in that place, with a few folks I knew…but I felt very disconnected from it all as evidenced by the fact that I was there about 90 minutes and sent eight tweets in the last hour. Several of those I talked to said, "I didn't see you on the red carpet," as if I'd snuck in via some illicit entryway.

One introduced me to a reporter who was looking for quotes about Stan. The reporter stuck a voice recorder up near my mouth and asked me what I thought of the new comic book featuring Mike "The Situation" Sorrentino, who was apparently right behind me at that moment. Give me some credit for not being able to recognize the man.

New comic book? I gave the reporter a resounding "Huh?" and he said, "You're probably looking forward to the first issue. That is, in the unlikely event you can get one."

I said, "Well then I'll just have to get the second issue. That is, in the unlikely event that there is one."

He said, "So why are you here?"

I said, "Well, they asked to be here because I'm in the film…"

He said, "The Avengers? God, it's the hottest film out there. What part did you play?"

I started to explain I was Scarlett Johansson's body double but instead I told him, "No, this film. The one about Stan Lee. The one this party's about."

He said, "You're in it? We didn't see you out on the red carpet. So what do you do?"

For some reason when people ask me that, I usually answer, "I write comic books" even though such jobs account for less than 5% of my income and have for several decades. I guess I say it because in my town, there are shoe salesmen who if you ask them what they do, they reply, "I write TV shows and movies," and then may or may not mention they sell New Balance footgear on the side. Rather than sound like one of them, I opt to say I write comic books and I said that to this fellow. He looked puzzled and his face said, even if his voice didn't, "So then what are you doing here?"

By that point, the volume and my constant awareness of pending deadlines had gotten to me so I decided to go home and write a comic book. On my way out of the theater, the news crews outside had just finished stowing their gear so I walked the red carpet but in the opposite direction. You know, it's kind of nice on there if you get rid of all those cameras and microphones.