me on the radio (Also About J.B.)

Not to take away from tomorrow's extravaganza on Shokus Internet Radio but I did a short interview this afternoon about Joe Barbera with my pal Paul Harris, who's heard on KMOX, the voice of St. Louis. You can hear it over on this page at Paul's site — and while you're there, look around a little. Paul's one of the best interviewers I've found and he has a knack for getting guests who are…well, let's just say they're generally more important and/or interesting than I am. And yes, I know that doesn't exactly thin out the herd much. Anyway, we chatted about the late 'n' great Joe B. for a bit.

I also did two separate interviews for BBC Radio and a couple of others…and I'll tell you how stupid I can be at times. When you do these by-phone interviews, they call you and as you wait to go on, you're usually listening to the station. Waiting for Paul to introduce me, I'm hearing a traffic report that the 270 Southbound is jammed due to heavy holiday traffic and an overturned vehicle…and I think, "Ooh…better stay off the 270 Southbound." Of course, two seconds later, I realize that I'm not likely to be travelling the 270 Southbound in the next hour or so since it's in St. Louis and I'm in Los Angeles. I don't know why I keep falling for this…only that I do.

me on the radio (About Joe)

I will be back on Shokus Internet Radio tomorrow (Wednesday) from 4 PM to 6 PM Pacific — that's 7 PM to 9 PM for you Right-Coasters — and the topic will be Joe Barbera! Stu Shostak and I will spend two hours talking about J.B. and taking phone calls and I think Stuart will even be playing some rare Hanna-Barbera records. You can call in and ask a question or just listen. Either way, I assure you you'll get to know more about the extraordinary world of H-B than you ever did before. I may even let Stuart goad me into telling the tale of the birth of Scrappy Doo.

You can listen to Shokus Internet Radio from the comfort of the chair you're sitting in, tuning in via the computer upon which you're reading these words. Just click here to go to the Shokus site and pick an audio browser. And you don't have to do that only when I'm on there. You can listen 24/7. Here's a link to their schedule.

Smarter Than the Average Barbera…

Here are some more remembrances of Joe Barbera, who died yesterday at an alleged 95 years of age. (At least one animation historian is certain Joe was two years older than his official bios claimed.) I suppose we're engaged in two channels of mourning here…one for the man himself and another for the last real "relic" — I don't mean that word in a bad way — of a studio that meant so much to so many cartoon watchers as well as cartoon makers. And maybe we're also mourning the end of an era, as I can't name another living person who was as much a presence in theatrical animation. either. We lost a lot when we lost Joe, as these folks are noting…

  • Paul Dini likens J.B. to Sinatra…and if you knew how much Paul loves Sinatra, you'd know what a nice, apt comparison that is.
  • Voice guy Howard Hoffman talks about the honor of meeting and working with Mr. B.
  • Brent McKee is a child of television and he has a good assessment of Joe's contribution to the medium.
  • Peter Farnsworth, one of the talents behind Wallace and Gromit, speaks of how Joe Barbera influenced his work.
  • And Tom Sito, an animator and Past President of The Animation Guild, has his own memories of Joe.

Today's Video Link

And today's video link comes equipped with another Joe Barbera anecdote. This one is a story that has been told a couple of times in various venues and occasionally mauled or distorted in the process. I've even told it once before on this blog but unlike some others, I got it right. So I'm going to tell it again…

There are two participants in this story, one being — of course — Joe Barbera. The other is Howard Morris, the brilliant comedy actor who is probably best known today for his many years as a sidekick on various Sid Caesar TV shows and for playing the irrepressible Ernest T. Bass on The Andy Griffith Show. Howie also had quite a career doing voices for cartoon characters including Jughead and several others on the Archie cartoons, Wade Duck on Garfield and Friends, Gopher in the Winnie the Pooh shorts and Beetle Bailey in the cartoon series of the same name. For Hanna-Barbera, he voiced — among many I could name — Atom Ant, Mr. Peebles on Magilla Gorilla, and Breezly Bruin in the "Breezly and Sneezly" cartoons.

Howie's career at H-B ended in 1966 when he had an argument with Joe. What it was about is immaterial now but if you absolutely have to know, I explained it here the last time I told this anecdote. All you need to know is that it ended with Howie telling Joe, "Go f*** yourself!" Once that instruction was delivered, Howard Morris walked out of the building…and forever out of the employment of Hanna-Barbera. Or so he thought at the time.

Around ten years later, to his utter amazement, Howie got hired to do some voices for another H-B project. Given the number of ex-wives he was supporting, he could not afford to turn it down, so he timidly reported for work at the Hanna-Barbera Studio. All through the session, he was nervous about what might happen if he ran into Joe Barbera. He was afraid Joe would slug him or have him removed bodily from the premises…or maybe it would just be a lot of ugly yelling and screaming. He managed to get through the recording without encountering J.B. but as he headed out of the building, he found himself walking down a hallway…with Guess Who coming his way. "Howie," he heard Barbera call out. Howie froze in fear…but Barbera came up to him, gave him a big hug and told him how happy he was to see him again after too long an absence.

"You're not going to throw me out?" he asked Joe.

"Of course not, Howie," Barbera replied. "Why would I throw you out?"

Howie stammered, "Well…the last time I was here, I told you to go f*** yourself."

Barbera grinned and said, "I took your advice."

And now you know one of the reasons that so many people, including those who fought with him and quit and got fired, loved Joe Barbera.

Which brings us to the video clip, which is from the second episode of The Jetsons. It first aired on Sunday evening, September 30 of 1962 and it features the first thing that Howie did for the studio. They cast him as the teen idol of the future, Jet Screamer, and had him introduce the immortal rock 'n' roll classic, "Eep Opp Ork Ah-Ah." According to Howie, J.B. personally selected him and directed him, the selection being because Barbera always liked Howie's performances as one of the Haircuts, the singing group on various Sid Caesar programs. (One of those numbers was our video link earlier this year.) Here's Jet…

VIDEO MISSING

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Mr. B.

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Tributes to Joe Barbera continue to pop up everywhere. I've done a batch of press interviews this evening, including one for BBC Radio. Jerry Beck and Amid Amidi have some wonderful memories up on their fine blog, Cartoon Brew.

But so far, the best one I've heard of was just related to me in an e-mail from Tim Powers. Over at the Television Academy building in North Hollywood, there's a wall sculpture of Hanna and Barbera. I reported on the unveiling ceremony here. And Tim informs me that people have been going there and leaving candles in front of it…a very nice thought indeed.

Game Boys

Just watched the first episode of Identity, the new NBC game show hosted by Penn Jillette. It's a cute idea — match ten strangers to ten occupations — but not one I can see myself or America sticking with for very long. I'm also getting weary of the repetitive theatrics of these shows…similar sets, similar music, pointless "suspense" pauses before revealing each answer, etc. Penn made his reputation turning the clichés of magic on their derrieres and bringing a modern, sometimes daring approach to a performing art that was getting stale…and here he is, hosting a program that stays firmly on safe, well-trodden ground. Yeah, I know he's just a hired hand — but his presence there only accentuates the problem. Even Penn couldn't bring a fresh approach to this kind of show.

Four more shows air this week, one per night. A teaser during tonight's telecast showed a quick shot of Stan Lee, who is apparently one of the guessable strangers on one episode, his "identity" being "Creator of Spider-Man." Sunday night/Monday morning, GSN reran an episode of To Tell the Truth from 1970 in which much of the panel failed to guess which of three men was Stan Lee. I've known Stan since around that time and it still took me until my third guess.

Joe Barbera, R.I.P.

Well, I'd hoped to get a few more days in our Joe Barbera Tribute before the man left us. But given the reports of his condition the last week or three, it's not surprising and of course, it's better that these things end sooner than later, for the family if not for the deceased.

There will be obits galore (like this one) with the details of his amazing life. I thought I might be able to offer a few personal glimpses and observations. The first time I met Joe Barbera, I had been hired by his studio to write a live-action situation comedy pilot that had nothing to do with animation or cartoons or anything you think of when you hear the name, "Hanna-Barbera." Mr. B. walked into the room looking beleaguered and weary, flopped into a chair and announced, "God, I have so many things to do today. My wife wants me to stop on the way home and look at new carpeting, I think I may need some dental work, my secretary is out sick, we just bought Marineland, I lost one of my credit cards…"

I'm sure I looked startled. "Just bought Marineland?" But that's what the man said. The corporation that then owned H-B had purchased the famed amusement park and was counting on the entertainment wizardry of Joe Barbera to turn a failing operation into a going concern. That almost made sense. What amazed me was how he just lumped it in with picking out carpet samples and other things that were on his mind.

And then, before we could get to the project at hand, he launched into a ten minute explanation of why Marineland was losing money. It had to do with crowds only coming on the weekends…but the place had to be kept open and fully-staffed seven days a week, 365 days a year. Apparently, if you want the seals to do six shows on Saturday, the seals need to do six shows every day. So on a rainy Christmas with no one in the place, someone had to go out and put the seals through six shows to an empty house, and that meant security guards had to be there and electricians and there were other costs that ate up the weekend profits.

The problems as he described them seemed insurmountable — and indeed, "Hanna-Barbera's Marineland" would be a disaster — but that day, I was dazzled by the discussion. He seemed so "on top" of the dilemma and yet, it was in a very human, humble way. Overall, he was so sharp and so engaging and (dare I say it?) so animated that you could instantly see why this man had his name on the outside of the building.

Finally in that first meeting, Mr. B. turned his attention to our show…and I should explain about that nickname. Joe always wanted everyone to call him Joe, just as his longtime partner Bill Hanna told everyone to call him Bill. When I worked there, I felt a bit awkward addressing Mr. Hanna as Bill and even less comfy turning to Mr. Barbera and saying, "Well, Joe…" I think most of us had this problem to some extent…at least, those of us who grew up on Huckleberry Hound and The Flintstones and Top Cat and other seminal Hanna-Barbera programming. It wasn't just that these men were such towering presences in the animation business. It was that they were such a part of our lives, our childhoods…in some cases, the reasons we got into cartoons or creative arts. Which was why a lot of us called him "Mr. B." It was friendly and casual but it didn't bring him down wholly to our level. That was not where we wanted him.

He and Bill were the guys who, once upon a time, had saved the animation industry. Perhaps if they hadn't, someone else would have…but they were the ones who did it. They'd made all those wonderful, Oscar-winning Tom & Jerry cartoons for seventeen years for MGM and then, one day, the studio was closing. All the studios that did that kind of thing were closing and Bill and Joe were, like many talented folks who wanted to work in animation, without a place to do that. Others had done cartoons for TV before them but they were the guys who showed everyone how it could be done as they built a dynasty in that new venue. At first, it was founded on the likes of Huckleberry Hound and Yogi Bear and The Flintstones — very good shows, I thought. A whole generation of kids loved them and many of us were inspired to want to write or draw, if not for Hanna-Barbera then for someone.

Later, especially after the studio was sold to corporate overlords, Bill and Joe seemed to put profit over pride in craft…but from their point of view, I'm sure it didn't feel that way. Mr. B. sometimes admitted that his legacy included an awful lot of dreadful shows and cut corners, though he defended some (not all) as being as good as network and financial circumstances permitted. More important though was that they kept the doors open, kept the operation operating, kept everyone — including Bill and Joe — working. They were both tireless workers who rarely took a day off, and who never retired. The last day that his health allowed it, Barbera was trying to get another cartoon made. Same with Hanna.

Unfortunately for me, I worked at Hanna-Barbera during a period when Mr. B. was not happy with much of their product and often felt shackled by all the restrictions. Still, just as he was excited at the prospect of rebuilding Marineland, he never seemed to lose his optimism that the next show could be better, that the idea they'd just sold ABC could be the next Scooby Doo. And of course, there was enormous pride in employing so many people who needed a paycheck and wanted to earn it by helping create cartoons. No overview of his life and times would be complete without noting the thousands of writers and artists who might have had to go work at Home Depot had it not been for Hanna and Barbera.

On a personal basis, Joe Barbera was a delight. He was charming and funny and in all the years I was around him, I never saw him lose his enthusiasm for the next series, the next project, the next challenge. The way he and Hanna divvied up the operation, Joe was in charge of selling the shows, Bill was in charge of the details of production. It worked well because Mr. B. was a fabulous salesman. He had good ideas and bad ideas but when he pitched them, they all sounded great.

One day, Barbera was in a network meeting proposing idea after idea for specials, tossing out jokes and concepts and ideas with machine-gun precision. Finally, as the hour grew late, the network guy said, "Okay, we'll buy two hours," and Barbera quickly left. That's how you sell. When they say yes, you get the hell out before they have time to think it over and take it back. So J.B. got the hell out and an hour or two later, the guys from the network called over to H-B and said, "Uh, this is embarrassing and we are going to honor the commitment…but there were so many ideas flying around that room. Just what was it we agreed to buy?" And of course, the punch line was that Barbera wasn't sure, either.

I believe that to be true because I worked with Joe Barbera. Anyone who did would believe it.

As I said, I grew up on the initial product of the H-B empire. When I was hired for the aforementioned live-action show, I had the feeling I'd come in through the wrong door. I wanted to work there but Mr. B. had the belief that "live-action writers" couldn't write animation and since he'd met me as a live-action writer, that's what I was to him. I dazzled him with my knowledge of their early shows and showed him Hanna-Barbera comic books I'd written…but still, I was a live-action writer. I had to go write animation for other studios before he'd consider me to write cartoons for his.

That's how I got in. How I got out was that one day, he and I were debating some silly story point on a new, planned Yogi Bear series. I was right and he was wrong but he was still Joe Barbera. Even when he or his company did me wrong, which they occasionally did and not just to me, he was still Joe Barbera and I liked him so much. I had other offers at the time and I suddenly, right in the middle of our meeting, decided that I should go take one of them; that if I argued much more with Mr. B., right or wrong, something would change for me in how I viewed him and his studio. On the spot, I decided it was better to leave while I was still in love. I've never regretted anything about that decision other than that I didn't make it one show earlier.

It was smart because every time I saw J.B. after that, we were friends and my affection for him and his studio was undiminished. The last few encounters though, were bittersweet. Well into his eighties, he looked sixty and performed with the energy of a man of forty. Then one day not long before Hanna passed, Barbera was suddenly acting his age, whatever it was. The official bios say he was born in 1911 but some animation scholars say it was earlier than that. However old he was, you could tell the mind was as alert as ever but things just weren't connecting as before. Paul Dini and I went to lunch with him and J.B. told us, almost by rote, an anecdote right after we ordered and the exact same anecdote once again just before dessert. Paul and I exchanged uncomfortable glances. Mr. Barbera was on Autoplay, no longer thinking clearly but still determined to be entertaining and to not disappoint his audience.

The twice-told tale was about how they'd sold The Flintstones, arguably their best show and the one that established the studio as the top animation company of its day. He related some of the obstacles they'd faced, including sponsors who questioned whether anyone over the age of twelve would ever watch cartoons. And even if it was all from primal memory, he spoke with great satisfaction of how the whole crew — he made a point of spreading the credit around widely — had triumphed over all the skepticism. They'd not only created a show that was popular then but popular still. They'll be watching The Flintstones when The Jetsons is a period piece.

After the replay of the anecdote, we got to talking about the little side comments that were made by the animals in the show — a bird that functioned as Fred's record player or a monkey that did the dishes for Wilma. Everyone around the table recounted a favorite they recalled and suddenly, Mr. B. started inventing new ones, suggesting animal-based inventions that could be in the next Flintstones cartoon, whenever that occurred. It was a momentary flash of the real Joe Barbera, the creative guy, the man who'd helped launch so many great shows that you could forgive him the non-great ones. He came up with one gag, apparently on the spot, that was so funny that our table burst into laughter that startled other diners. It caused someone in our party to say, "I wish you were producing a new Flintstones show right now."

Mr. Barbera sighed and said, "I wish I was doing a lot of things I used to do." I wish he was still with us, still doing a lot of the things he used to do, too. But wherever he is now, I bet he just sold three shows and a special.

Today's Video Link

Here's a story about Joe Barbera, followed by an old Kellogg's cereal commercial.

In the mid-seventies, CBS commissioned Hanna-Barbera to do a pilot for a series that, if accepted, would run Monday-Friday early in the morning. At the time, that's when they aired Captain Kangaroo…but the good Captain was holding out for higher pay and the network would need a new show for that slot if they couldn't come to terms. If nothing else, they thought, the fact that they were making a pilot might frighten Bob Keeshan, who owned and played C.K., and cause him to temper his demands.

So Joe Barbera supervised this pilot…and it came out rather well, despite the fact that it was produced for little more than pocket change. A guy in a Yogi Bear costume played a part in it, and there wasn't enough money in the budget to pay to have Daws Butler come in and record two Yogi lines that were called for in the script. So Mr. Barbera, for just the two lines, did the voice of Yogi Bear. He did a pretty good imitation of Daws.

J.B. was proud of the finished product and confident that once the CBS execs saw it, they'd close down the Treasure House, retire Mr. Greenjeans and mount Mr. Moose's head on their wall. Instead of just showing them the finished product, he arranged a small party in a fancy conference room at the facility where the editing was done. He had his favorite restaurant of the moment, the Villa Capri, send over a bartender and a sumptious supper buffet for about ten people. What Barbera was thinking was that he'd wine them and dine them, and then he'd run the pilot for them and they'd be so happy and/or drunk by then, they'd buy it. Not a bad idea but it didn't work out that way.

No one from CBS ever showed. Ten minutes after the scheduled arrival time, someone phoned to say that the network and Bob Keeshan had come to terms…so there was no available time slot for the new series and no rush to view the pilot. The execs there were busy so instead of trekking over to Burbank for Mr. B's little party, they wanted him to just send over the tape. They'd watch it — or not — when things were a bit less hectic.

Barbera told the bartender and the catering folks to go home. Then he called upstairs to an editing room where I was working. I had not worked on the pilot that had just met a probable demise. I was there laboring over another Hanna-Barbera pilot which would eventually meet a similar fate. Its producer and I were in the middle of an editing session when Joe phoned and asked me to please come down to the conference room. When I got there, he told me his pilot had just been shot down without anyone seeing it, and that he needed my help. "You want me to help you on a rewrite?" I asked.

He said, "No, I want you to help me on this dinner." He began loading a plate for me with pasta and veal from the spread. "We're going to eat as much of this as we can, you and me. And then we'll pack up what's left and you can take it home, stick it in your freezer for a few months and then throw it out when it gets too old." I guess I had a sad look on my face because he added, "Don't be down. This is a celebration!"

"A celebration? Your pilot didn't sell," I reminded him. "Just what is it you're celebrating?"

Joe picked up a bottle of wine, took a long swig and replied, "I'm celebrating that I'm not going to have to go around for the rest of my life with people pointing at me and saying, 'That's the man who got them to cancel Captain Kangaroo!' Here — have a canneloni."

That's today's Joe Barbera story. Now, here's Yogi Bear (with his real voice, the voice of Daws Butler) selling cereal…

Question

When did Colin Powell become one of those raving left-wing commie loony Surrender Monkeys who hates America and wants to see our troops all die?

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The L.A. Times runs a nice obit on Chris Hayward, the comedy/animation writer who passed away almost a month ago. (Here's a link to what I posted then.)

Today's Video Link

Our video links here the next few days will be a tribute to Joe Barbera, and I'll try to tell you a few stories about this extraordinary man and perhaps explain what his work has meant to me. We kick off with the original opening to my first favorite cartoon show, Huckleberry Hound, which debuted in October of 1958. It was the second Hanna-Barbera series, following hot on the heels of Ruff & Reddy, which I liked but not as much as I liked Huckleberry Hound. Kellogg's funded this show and the opening titles featured the rooster from the Kellogg's Corn Flakes box dancing around a circus arena. Later, this opening was remade with Huck himself going through the same motions, and that's the one most of you probably recall.

The Huck Hound show featured clever scripts, wonderful voice work by Daws Butler and Don Messick, and resourceful animation…which is a way to saying that a lot of things didn't move very much on the screen but you hardly noticed. This footage was shot in color but I kind of like watching it here in black-and-white because that's the way I originally viewed it on the TV in my parents' living room. It ran Tuesday evenings at 7 PM on KTTV, Channel 11 in Los Angeles and I could hardly wait from one week to the next.

Shortly after the show debuted, my mother took me back East for a trip to New York and Hartford to see a little of America and to meet some of my relatives. I was reluctant to go because they might not have Huckleberry Hound back there and I couldn't miss an episode now, could I? My father, eager to please, phoned his brother Seymour in New York and his brother Irving in Connecticut and had them check their local TV Guides. Only when I was assured they had Huckleberry Hound in those remote locales did I consent to get on the plane.

After several days in Manhattan — where I watched Huck and his friends on the TV in our room at the Taft Hotel on Seventh Avenue at Fiftieth — we were going to take a train to Hartford. In a little newsstand in a snack bar in Penn Station, I found a comic book rack and on it was the first Huckleberry Hound comic book from Dell. This was a wonderful thing, of course, and it was promptly purchased and read over and over and over. It had superb art by a man I would later (much later) learn was named Harvey Eisenberg and it had stories adapted from episodes I had recently seen on TV. It was Heaven but I was worried: Was this something they only had in New York? And if it was, how could I get my parents to move there before I missed another issue? Happily, it turned out that no relocation was necessary. When we got back to Los Angeles, they had Huckleberry Hound comic books there, too.

So here's the opening to Huck's show. I love this bit of animation and every bit of the tune except for the part where they pretend "get yourselves all set" rhymes with "TV set." It bothered me when I was six, too. When I sang the song, I changed it to "It's a certain bet / You'll watch your TV set…" and I wondered why if I could think of that at my age, the guy who wrote the song couldn't. Twenty-some-odd years later when I worked for him, I asked Mr. Barbera about it. He laughed and said, "Bill wrote that line. Go upstairs and tell him we have to go back and fix it." I never did that but I should have.

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Total Recall

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