The Saga of Stan Lee Media (cont.)

In 2000, I worked (briefly) for Stan Lee Media, the Internet company that collapsed soon after, sending some of its financial heads to prison for various forms of stock fraud. Today, The Washington Post has a long article about Stan Lee Media and what went on when it underwrote a gala fund-raising event for Hillary Clinton. If you're following this story, it's "must" reading — though you might wince at the reference to Stan as the "creator of Spider-Man and the Incredible Hulk." (Here's why.)

The other day, one of my Clinton-hating acquaintances wrote me to pay attention to this then-forthcoming article because it would "blow the lid off" the scandal that will ultimately, he insists, destroy Hillary. Reading the piece, I don't see quite how that's going to happen, nor did I see that in any of the past articles he said would blow that lid. One does get the impression that the case is pretty much over but that certain parties are still trying to wring some benefits out of it. I found the following paragraph of special interest. It's about Peter Paul, the main guy behind Stan Lee Media, who is presently living off welfare as he awaits sentencing, and Judicial Watch, which is the firm whose lawyers represented him for a time…

Paul is pursuing his civil suit against the Clintons and expects oral arguments to be heard in the case later this year. He's also feuding with his former friends at Judicial Watch. Paul accuses the group of letting his criminal case languish while they used his civil suit to raise more than $15 million in donations for their coffers from people who dislike the Clintons.

That's kind of what this is all about. I got e-mails from Judicial Watch years ago that said, in effect, "Send us money and we'll nail Hillary." Apparently, there are enough people out there who loathe Bill and Hillary to make that a lucrative offer. You wonder if any of the folks who sent that $15 million think they got their money's worth…and how long they're going to keep falling for it.

No Longer Playing

For some reason, I'm fascinated by ads for old Vegas showrooms, especially from back in the days when you could pay what now seems like next-to-nothing and see not only a headliner but two acts you'd heard of. Most showrooms stopped featuring headliners during the eighties and the ones that kept them either got rid of opening acts or booked cheap (and presumably low-paid) performers for that slot. These days, you usually get one guy and if he's a comedian, there's not even an orchestra on the premises.

Some of the ticket prices strike me as rather high and inconsistent. George Carlin gets $54.50 a seat (does he still have Dennis Blair opening for him?). Elton John is $100-$250. Jerry Seinfeld charges $75-$150. Tom Jones is $70 and Dennis Miller is $79. Howie Mandel is $60. Ray Romano tickets are $90. Don Rickles, Steve & Eydie, David Spade, Damon Wayans, Hall & Oates and Dana Carvey all want $70 a seat. And Tony Bennett is about to play a limited engagement at the Golden Nugget where tickets will start at $200 each. Of all these, the best entertainer is probably Carlin.

I don't know what it cost to see Perry Como with the Doodletown Pipers opening for him but it was a lot cheaper than most of these today, even adjusting for inflation. I wish I'd been going to Vegas in those days. Even in the eighties when I began regular visits, I caught some pretty wonderful shows for pretty reasonable prices.

With Great Quotes, There Must Also Come Many Letters…

I asked about the Spider-Man credo, "With great power there must come great responsibility" and boy, did I get answers. As to the question of whether Winston Churchill said it, the answer apparently is no. What he said was "The Price of Greatness is Responsibility," which was the title of this essay. This was pointed out to me, one way or the other, by Stan Taylor, Jim Drew, Ken Quattro, Jeffery Stevenson, Tom Leach, Allen Montgomery, Martin Gately, Jason Crane, Russ Maheras, Bob Heer and some guy named Marv Wolfman who owes me a lunch.

Earl Wells writes that something like it was uttered or almost uttered by someone named Roosevelt…

As far as I know, the quote that comes closest to the line in the Spider-Man story is from a speech that FDR was going to deliver at the Jefferson Day Dinner in 1945; he died the day before: "Today we have learned in the agony of war that great power involves great responsibility." (From Nothing to Fear, ed. by Ben D. Zevin, p. 464 of the 1961 Popular Library paperback; the book was originally published in 1946 by the World Publishing Company.)

A similar remark is in FDR's 1945 state of the union address: "In a democratic world, as in a democratic Nation, power must be linked with responsibility… ." (From Living Ideas in America, ed. by Henry Steele Commager, p. 703 of the 1951 Harper & Brothers hardcover.)

And Theodore Roosevelt said something like it in a 1908 letter: "…I believe in power; but I believe that responsibility should go with power…" (From T.R.: The Last Romantic by H.W. Brands, pp. 628-9 of the 1997 Basic Books hardcover; the letter was published by Harvard in The Letters of Theodore Roosevelt, 8 volumes, 1951-54.)

These are just the ones I've noticed over the years; I wouldn't be surprised if there are others. But Lee & Ditko said it best! (All or some of this may be on the Internet somewhere, but I'm too lazy to check.)

My pal Nate Butler thinks it may come from a higher authority…

I heard Stan Lee speak at a college in Connecticut many, many years ago…and/or I read it later in an interview with him…where he said he enjoyed reading the Bible as Great Literature and a source of story ideas. I think he may have said at that time that the "with great power comes great responsibility" quote was adapted from what Jesus Christ says in the Gospel of Luke, chapter 12, verse 48: "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."

That's the King James version that Stan might have read years ago. A contemporary translation reads: "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."

Some other quotes were pointed out to me as being similar but not exact…

  • "Responsibility walks hand in hand with capacity and power." — Josiah Gilbert Holland. (Sent by Jeffery Stevenson and Russ Maheras.)
  • "Rank does not confer privilege or give power. It imposes responsibility." — Louis Armstrong. (Sent by Russ Maheras, who notes this was apparently not the Louis Armstrong with the trumpet.)
  • "Power without responsibility…the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages." — Rudyard Kipling. (Sent by Stephen Soymonoff.)
  • "It is a sad reflection…that a sense of responsibility which comes with power is the rarest of things." — Alexander Crummell. (Also sent by Stephen Soymonoff.)
  • "To whom much is given, much is required." — John F. Kennedy. (Sent by Ron Goldberg and Ali T. Kokmen.)

Also, Lee Barnett sends us to this page where several authors fiddle with the concept, including Christine de Pisan, according to whom, "the greater the power that individuals have, the greater their responsibility for the moral and material welfare of the people who depend on them."

Lastly, several folks pointed out that I left a word out of the quote. Here's a note from Danny Fingeroth, who used to be the editor of all the Spider-Man comics at Marvel…

The actual line from Amazing Fantasy #15 is said by the narrator. It goes: "And a lean, silent figure slowly fades into the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, with great power there must also come — great responsibility!"

The "there must also" part is often left out, but one could say that it's what makes Peter a hero and not a villain, since a villain might not see that he has a responsibility, even after a lesson like Peter got. (Although, of course, the best villains see themselves as responsible heroes.)

A good point. In fact, I remember a couple of different periods of the Spider-Man comic (not yours, as I recall) where I sure got the feeling that the writer either didn't get that or simply didn't understand the concept of volunteerism. I made that observation to one of his associates and got the reply, "Yeah…him writing about helping others is like an Orthodox Jew writing about the joys of pulled pork sandwiches."

Danny also suggests that I ask Stan Lee if he remembers where he got it. That's a good one, Danny. And thanks to all who answered or tried to answer my question.

And With Medium Power Comes Not-So-Great Responsibility

I have a silly question that I should know the answer to and don't.

An oft-quoted line from the Spider-Man comic book goes as follows: "With great power comes great responsibility."

Was that line (reasonably) original to the comic? Or is it a quote from somewhere else? I have a vague idea that it was famously uttered by Sir Winston Churchill but the quotation books I have handy here either don't mention it or attribute it to Spider-Man or Stan Lee.

Can someone give me an answer? And if you're saying it was a known quote before that, could we have a source, please?

When Titans Settle

Comic book retailer Brian Hibbs has prevailed in a lawsuit against Marvel Comics. Here are the details but if you don't want to click over there, I'll give you a quick summary: The contract by which comic stores used to receive their comics from Marvel specified that they could return unsold copies if the books shipped late and/or if the creative team was not the one advertised. Hibbs charged that Marvel was not accepting returns under such circumstances and he sued and has now agreed to a settlement. Nice work, Brian.

Wednesday Afternoon

Posting here's been light because (a) my cable modem keeps cutting in and out and (b) my brain seems to be hard-wired to the cable modem. Things will normalize soon.

Hamilton Camp Remembered

The L.A. Times obit [reg. req.] for Hamilton Camp is up. It says the cause of death is still to be determined but that he fell on Sunday. I was told it was a heart attack but perhaps that is not so.

Whatever it was, it robbed us of a very talented man. A lot of you have written me to recall your favorite Hamilton Camp TV role — like the short guy who tried to date Mary Richards on The Mary Tyler Moore Show or the stereo store owner who got robbed on WKRP in Cincinnati. Hamilton played an amazing number of memorable roles on popular shows.

Leaving the City

The L.A. Times [register, baby] has an article about the closing of Book City, a wonderful clutter of old volumes located up on Hollywood Boulevard.

The piece blames the changing nature of the neighborhood, and that may be a factor, but I think they're missing the real cause here. Old book shops have been in steady decline the last 20+ years in all neighborhoods everywhere. There are one or two areas, like out on the Golden Mall in Burbank, where a few stores have found cheaper rent and have congregated to create a little shopping mall of antiquarian booksellers. But apart from that kind of huddling, I don't think you can find a single neighborhood in California that doesn't have fewer of those establishments than it did in the seventies. Many now have none.

It's not geography. It's not location. It's that second-hand book stores are a dying industry. To the extent some survive, it's mostly been by becoming online merchants, selling on eBay and through services like abebooks. To do that, you don't need the overhead and expense of operating a retail store in a commercial area. You can do it out of someone's garage.

Once upon a time, I was the biggest patron of old book stores you've ever seen. I went to every one in Los Angeles and I went often. I can't tell you how much cash I spent at the Book City on Hollywood Boulevard and I also patronized their old second location over on Lankershim. But I haven't visited Book City or any such establishment in years. When I buy now, I buy online.

Yes, you lose the fun of browsing the actual books but the trade-off, which I find more than acceptable, is that you get a much wider range of choices and prices. A few weeks ago, I wanted to find a certain book and if I'd gone to Book City, it would have taken me an hour or two and I might (might!) have found one copy and it would have been priced on a take-it-or-leave-it basis. I might also have wasted the trip either because they didn't have a copy or because I didn't like the price or condition of the one they had. Searching online, it took under a minute to find 40 or 50 copies — different editions, different conditions, different prices, etc., and after a couple of clicks, one was en route to me. I feel bad about Book City closing because it once did so much for me, but I've gotta admit: I don't feel so bad about these places closing that I'll forego the ease and comfort of no longer going to old book stores.

Tuesday Morning Thought

Actor Nicolas Cage and his wife Alice have named their new child Kal-el, which is Superman's birth name, which is of course their right.

But don't I remember a sketch that Nicholas Cage did when he hosted Saturday Night Live back in 1992? He played a man arguing with his pregnant wife (portrayed by Julia Sweeney) about what to name their kid. The premise was that she kept suggesting names like John and George and he kept rejecting each one, explaining how it would cause their son to be ridiculed and beaten up. The punchline was that it turned out he was so sensitive to the issue because his name was Asswipe.

I'm not sure what point I'm making here. It's just that every time I hear of someone saddling their child with an odd given name, I think of Nicolas Cage and that sketch. And now, here he is…

Oh, well. Guess I'll forget about that and just wait for today's Tom DeLay indictment. Then again, if I miss it, there's always tomorrow's.

Nipsey Russell, R.I.P.

Damn…another obit. This one's for the "Poet Laureate of Television," Nipsey Russell, who was probably best known for his countless game show appearances. I met him only once — backstage at the game show called Rhyme and Reason that was more or less invented to have him on its panel. He was cheery, he was funny, he was happy to meet everyone. If being around a guy for fifteen minutes makes you qualified to have an opinion about him, then I'd say Nipsey Russell was a hardworking guy who was very happy to have that work, and that he earned every bit of fame and success he enjoyed.

He sure was around for a long time. I don't know much more about him than is mentioned in the obits now appearing (like this one) although they don't seem to be noting all the decades he spent working dives and clubs, many in the so-called "Negro Circuit," before joining the thin ranks of performers who broke out of that show business ghetto. He was among the regulars on the 1961 sitcom, Car 54, Where Are You?, and even before that, an occasional performer on Ed Sullivan's popular variety hour. He played Vegas often — one time, doing Pseudolus in a production of A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum. I wish I could have seen that or, even better, his regular act. Because he always made me laugh.

Today's Political Rant

For what it's worth, I'm surprised by George W. Bush's selection of Harriet Miers as a Supreme Court nominee. Point One: She has no judicial experience and while that may not be a disqualifier in and of itself, you'd think this would not be the time Bush would want to have the accusation that he's appointing an inexperienced crony to a position of great responsibility. Point Two: She's sixty years old. There's been a lot of talk that Bush (and Karl Rove) wanted to reshape the government their way for as close to "forever" as they could manage. That would have suggested a nominee in his or her forties.

Point Three: She's not the slam dunk Roe-reversing, pull-the-court-to-the-right vote that many Bush supporters were craving and which some even felt was owed to them. She may turn out to be that but an awful lot of Conservative voices are outraged now, at a time when Bush seems to need their support more than ever. Over at the Liberal blog, Eschaton, the legendary Atrios makes the following point which I think is correct, especially the part about how we really don't know how she'll impact the court…

I have no idea what kind of judge Miers will be and nor probably does anyone else in the commentariat. We probably won't know for a few years either way (assuming for the moment that she's confirmed) unless the nice people in the press do some digging to try to find out. All we do know is she's a reliable Bush fixer.

Wingnuttia is rather angry at the choice. I don't think this is because they're really concerned that she's not conservative enough for their tastes, although that's part of it. They're angry because this was supposed to be their nomination. This is was their moment. They didn't just want a stealth victory, they wanted parades and fireworks. They wanted Bush to find the wingnuttiest wingnut on the planet, fully clothed and accessorized in all the latest wingnut fashions, not just to give them their desired Court rulings, but also to publicly validate their influence and power. They didn't just want substantive results, what they wanted even more were symbolic ones. They wanted Bush to extend a giant middle finger to everyone to the left of John Ashcroft. They wanted to watch Democrats howl and scream and then ultimately lose a nasty confirmation battle. They wanted this to be their "WE RUN THE COUNTRY AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT" moment.

Whatever kind of judge she would be, she doesn't provide them with that.

I think it's kinda nice when the extreme right doesn't get what they want, especially with regard to something as important and lasting as a Supreme Court appointment. It will be nice the next time the extreme left is disappointed in some Democratic nomination, as well. I guess my idea of the ideal Supreme Court would be nine potential swing votes, none of them as unashamedly predictable as some have been. This will never happen but it's still nice to imagine.

Hamilton Camp, R.I.P.

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Another talented, wonderful performer has left us. Hamilton Camp (aka Bob Camp and Hamid Hamilton Camp) died yesterday from a heart attack. He was 70.

He was probably best known for his role as the handyman, Andrew Hummell, on the short-lived 1967 sitcom, He and She, which starred Richard Benjamin and Paula Prentiss, but he appeared in hundreds of TV shows, including guest roles on all the major programs. He was also a regular on two other series which, he almost bragged, were two of the quickest cancellations in TV history — Turn-On (1969) and Co-Ed Fever (1979), each cancelled after only one episode aired. His extensive list of motion picture credits started when he was a child and later included Dick Tracy, Heaven Can Wait, S.O.B., Eating Raoul, Bird and Under Fire. He was much-admired in the field of improv comedy, having worked with both Second City and The Committee back when all the great practitioners of the art were in one or the other.

He was also a giant in the world of folk singing, commencing in 1961 with the album, Gibson and Camp at the Gate of Horn, done back when he was Bob Camp and teamed with Bob Gibson. He recorded at least seven albums. The title song from his 1967 Here's To You was a modest hit and it's a tune I included on a little CD of favorite records that I play in my car all the time. (You can learn more about his career over at his website.)

In addition to all that, he was a much sought-after performer in commercials and voiceovers, and I was pleased to work with him several times on cartoon shows. He was a lovely man and the news today comes as a shocker to all of us who knew him. Here's to you, Hamilton.

For Lehrer Completists

If you are a fan of the great writer-performer of silly songs, Professor Tom Lehrer, you might be interested in hearing some of his earliest work that never made it to any record. You can do this at this site.

Happy Birthday (this Friday) to June Allyson!

One of my regular correspondents, Ray Arthur, sends the following note…

Actress June Allyson will be celebrating her 88th birthday on Friday. June is not in the best health and I'm sure she would enjoy any birthday greetings from fans. If you feel so inclined, please e-mail them through me at, and I will forward them to her.